Thanks home virtual call to show. Thank you appreciate it yes so you're not from taxes. -- and urban -- okay so what. Energy and depth of what what does the group do how to do groups form and why did your group responded the way it responded to bud George. -- on were based in Washington DC. Any guys you mention that I'm from the area right Europe and background with an outside school my parents still back there my kid -- -- so goes about bicycles so. Very much interested in and do extension what happened back home and arms to pay attention of the best I can closely as closely as I can. This group energy and death. Was formed last year. And again or what words were Washington DC based or nationally focused. We're talking about to Wyoming and Texas Oklahoma and also Pennsylvania New York understates. Comment based it was formed by independent. Natural gas producers I'm not big boys with independent one small mom pop shops. Across the country that so it's really. That is worth of forefront of developing suns this technology that's allowing us today. -- this additional modeling and Marcellus but the Barnett haynesville. Other show across the country. -- as an organization formed last year to sort of be. It's just a certain educational role to explain hydraulic fracturing is how it's used. Sort of studio separate fact from fiction meant to focus on policy since so you know we're obviously we going to -- -- And you know. Chartered in earlier segment -- that it considered you know the sort of to charge or we're attacking by George Chris. Really what what all this was essentially was that they did they held electric field hearings. That have a Sierra Club and clean water action folks in psychological terror posed -- And energy exploration and general. They don't have anyone from industry and have anywhere to represented the other side and so do we want to make sure that there were some semblance of balance. Present us and at all what there's no tackled by George I and certainly don't but Georgia's if you were there in the face I mean they were to strike again get the facts at their best we can. Stand -- amended again to separate fact from fiction or some of the stuff and obviously the big issue back in our area. Side it's. It's you know it's obviously in the southwestern Oregon State we've already seen a lot of developments Marcel alone we were talking about perhaps the second largest natural gas field in the world this next one in Iran. So -- ever want to do it the right way of several who are right aren't are against regulation we wanna be ready the right way. And -- we believe that you know we're artists and whatever going to keep a close sinuses and you know it's it's something where we won't work we've you know. Wanted to get neighbors know that we -- -- screw up return apps are here so I'm obviously there's heightened attention and we wanna do different ways that support trying to get across. I don't know if you had a chance to hear the interview would -- George did you did you hear that yeah well he clearly. Is taking a position. That is. Based in his experience but at the same time. Based -- in questioning. The motivation all of the industry of the gas industry. He's questioning the a lot of the politicking he's he's even hinted strongly that. The gas industry is whining and dining dining and making campaign contributions to basically by the way. Into these gas fields is is not a fair portrayal of what the industry is doing -- So if I'm I'm based senator Washington's -- and some aren't entirely attributed sort of where contrition comments after -- and -- -- supporting to write my suspicion is that's just representative George also receive campaign contributions. Some somebody with an interest in doing something self. So I would certainly wanna -- sort of smear them to -- and how to understand the need their money get your message out yet electors. Some what I do know is that what we -- -- section what's happening in the state of Pennsylvania right now. And other factors discussion over over taxes and over and over surface water issues over over access issues. Don't visited the the biggest thing is you can see if something -- -- situation where. -- it's appreciate it it's this year will produce it is it Marcellus jobs from a 40000 jobs 48 of 60000 jobs. In 2009 and ten to two point kind of talk about the potential of -- 100000 jobs. And we're talking against 600 million dollars and total revenue back to Harrisburg it totaled one billion to state and local governments in 2010. Some -- to -- it's a significant step up investment that's coming in and going in downtown Harrisburg as well itself. W I think you're gonna get ever want to do right that's the key thing and I've heard or read previous columns the data about when lake and other places. I don't know untimely grown up. -- but yet understand it again will we get -- environment to and we -- we notice if we we we don't we don't do it right away and we we dude we've we've we've covered we do try to take shortcuts -- the anything of that sort. You know it's ever a bonus pay attention that is it is not gonna happen yet you can't just -- -- -- gas well overnight. And without anyone knowing you know the -- process as long arduous and that's probably a -- should be and you know what we would -- the key thing here is. Working with GDP they're obviously you've heard about there's a new inspectors they're bringing on. Several want to do this the right way ever wants deregulated everyone just be open process. We don't -- start these sort of blanket moratorium was put in place which we sent which was reported in the times leader what is being suggested that by George Harris. Sales would that -- New Yorkers are right now and he could be perceived as this details do still do cities here infertility states between New York Pennsylvania. C news New York is creating -- jobs and Marcel knows that she'll go. To Goldman's business. That's been -- 100000 that's important right now it is sent to me like 161000 jobs last month. Talbots you know that go into it and at a time when actually we picked up 150000 jobs so only three states like -- jobs last month in Pennsylvania. And I get a flu and didn't ourselves shell caused developments had substantially here not only create jobs and revenue but they don't stomach. To creating currently generating clean energy resource still have to much got a good probably doctrine is called. 30% less content have been oil it's clean energy field to ours and you know that potential big into the the second largest in the world external -- -- that's -- that's something sort of remarkable. Actually I'm somebody who has no. Problem. With the natural gas industry not. And I'm like so many other people trying to learn. About the natural gas industry what's involved I'm trying to hear all the sides all the arguments. I do not by any stretch of the imagination consider myself to be an anti energy activist. And I believe a lot of people who are questioning just by virtue of the history of it in northeastern Pennsylvania. So I'm not anti energy activist. We're just not gullible enough to just take some corporation. Coming in promising us the world and saying trust us and then we do I mean the that shouldn't be beautiful call. For the gas industry understand. Scott -- now and believe me I don't expect it. There there's a lot of talking in the nationwide about the -- sort of competition British coal versus gas competition I think. These cars are rep Jennifer Georgetown and that little bit but come from I'm from the northeast area I know it cycle I know home banks and without looks like and Richard -- like automobiles and so I get that. But I think that it's the biggest thing in if you know that your listeners in other folks attention and issues. Just go online and -- -- video about it actually produced we're talking about Skype the hydraulic fracture and a well takes a couple days. It is done everything moved along and now you have potential to call for Christmas trees are producing well. Thomas the tank next to that's that's it and and because of our dog fracture because department horizontal drilling. We're able now also with what took a fifty wells fifty different -- the trouble for two with 1000. Acres to be drilled awful one passed. Bombed again because we we we drove straight down. And illegal horizontal and then we have previously where would to a particular Ted Wells drilled a literal ones. I'm an industrial partners to talk about you know -- -- drilling to talk about techniques used in the process today and yeah the first -- has -- I don't understand where there's all this country is coming from this is actually an environmental savers that is actually a little bit eliminates plan disturbances -- greatly reduces it. And so again we can do in this intensely for a long time we can I -- I draws fractures are sixty years to -- -- drilling previously and in some areas. You know and -- don't by the way they're 40000 gas wells in Pennsylvania forty -- You know right now we're looking at a thousand Marcellus wells with a -- hundred in the state. Such a small fraction of the total. I'm not a gas wells that are currently there are the differences that these these 11100 wells produce. 99% -- -- in Pennsylvania senator met a massive resource that the deeper you go into the shale so there's nothing different being done here just that it essentially going a little deeper. Going horizontally and tapping that those tightly packed our reserves against otherwise we could get us. So so are you assuring that. The gas drilling that already exists in Pennsylvania. It is is more than what's being proposed for the Marcellus shale fields. Well well the -- right now betrayed or 40000 natural gas wells and again that is just 39039000. Of those wells. Merger are -- were called shallow wells he and we did you drilled vertically down maybe 34000. Feet. And then you do of course you have to use Hydro fracturing restructuring for purpose. You mean DA EPA used hydraulic fracture to clean up Superfund site and viewed everywhere for everything geothermal water better. Anyway -- it before it got a welcome talking up -- already existing second or small they're shallow there. -- okay so should not. There they're not as productive as -- 11100 wells you foresee in the Marcellus shale fields. So -- -- -- -- -- formations and that that -- get information we've known about forever did you that we never knew how to get it economically mean to you Marcellus -- are tightly packed cash. Every resource is. Get used to give it -- spread all over the place into the but the idea before what could you needed to get those gas. Had to draw vertical well each and every seat up to above each and every pocket type that can make any sense. -- in your opponent and it. There's the technical aspects of this to any great degree. What's the biggest fear that the people who pay you that you boss's job with regard to this Marcellus shale. Exploration what's their biggest fear. We'll look for -- from the start I mean do debates for confront a financial standpoint I mean did they concepts about eight point two million dollars more. Started to do -- Marcellus well that would mark and well in Texas everything else and that's just a function of regulatory atmosphere is that the independent sort of the subsurface issues we have to deal -- Still intact just when we drill a well in the oval when we're don't have the art comes back up we capture that water. And it's under EPA to provision we -- we can inject it back under ground just 200151000. -- -- -- -- and and then your your -- that you dispose of that water became monitors to a process called underground injection. We can't do that here don't think it sounds should be because all those great. Fifteen doesn't -- -- public debate that -- storage areas count -- 101000 feet are occupied the actual apps and other things implicit subsidy -- just Laporte so. Essentially it's it's it's it's much. People much more risk to Dalton Pennsylvania consulted agriculture -- -- market you're closer New York go to the population center. So the water that in Texas would be it would be dispersed. Or underground. Does that water com call above ground in Pennsylvania in the Marcellus shields. It comes about on both areas widgets -- different we dispose of an underground in Texas and Oklahoma. And Pennsylvania. The situation is is that a lot of our producers are Herbert Peters director finding an injection well to to -- it -- intricate it -- that water would continue to reduce a couple of an Ohio West Virginia there is one in Pennsylvania I'm aware of get I think it's. You know -- if there's some treat treatment because on the Senate as party can't treats we have so our guys start to recycle other users can watch it again and again and again and that eliminates the water -- cannot eliminate that greatly reduces the need to actually draw and you want to. Let's do this I have to take a break let's let's establish a report here because. I think it's important that the people in northeastern Pennsylvania. Hear from you and and your colleagues I think it's important that we hear from everybody and this is going to be continuing developing issue. And I think the more we talk to each other the better off we -- we'll do this one has an icebreaker and when you wanna come back from the big city in the the whole -- -- DC. You -- always come back to the real Dallas which is in the background and debate had a big day and we'll look forward to talk to Terry -- -- -- okay Chris Tucker YouTube Chris Tucker from energy and -- He's spokesman for the gas drilling industry.