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The following is a paid program the views or claims -- you're not necessarily those of WI OK staff management or sponsors. Do plowing forward. I'm inspired science and logic for sustainability I'm Suzanne Kelly I'm joined by doctor Doug garrison -- Muslim. We represent the Lanza tells us farms historic teaching farm located in -- town Pennsylvania. Our topic today is climate change and its effect on Pennsylvania now neither doctor -- -- nor I claim to be experts on climate change. Do we think that many will share our conviction that something is happening at times drastic in terms of temperature and weather patterns. We share an opinion an action must be taken now to protect our valuable resource issues such as food health and the local economy. Now still there are others out there who say that climate change is nothing more than fabrication promoted by a liberal mindset and promoted through liberal media. Well we want to know what you think. We once huge could share your thoughts and we invite you to participate in today's -- the number to call. It's 883009841804370098. And welcome to everyone this afternoon. What I like to do is just throw this out here for our first question because we hear the interchange on terms of climate change and global warming you know we hear both are they the same or what's the distinction. Between climate change and global warming Doug. Global warming is on the globe he is soft and that was the original concept that was proposed currently decades ago when this became concerned. And then it -- -- the climate change which means that. We don't really know what's gonna happen so making it up and make cool down it may get more intense storms it may not store as much it may be drier. And so forth so it's going to be a change we don't know it is if you look around recently look at past six years. We 500 year flood. What two years ago -- -- Agnes was a 300 and -- three iron twenty year flood all within. Forty years and then this past week we have five and insurance and in a couple of hours I miss it seems like things are not what they used to -- I'm 52 years old -- can reflect -- amount of time. Book -- you'll have statistics that you often looked kind of indicated that this puts something in stringent. -- definitely something is changing. Even as far as the weather the weather patterns I know locally you know we've had our heat wave last week on next week which was to have very high temperatures again. With a threat every day of thunderstorms. I know someone out there saying well wait a -- this is summertime of course you're gonna get this Internet he -- -- humidity. But there seems to be a trend where it's not normal. Yeah when you start hearing statistics like -- more tornadoes than ever before in history which was last year and the year before. More hurricanes a few years ago than ever before. Says there is -- statistics that that says something like nine of the ten hottest years have been the past twenty years there's something like that on exactly correct them. But when you start hearing numbers of that sort. Fit a pattern seems to be immersing them and realize we will have been paying attention for a 150 years. So we don't have all the data may Unisys and natural cycle I don't think that's the point. Think the point is if we can do something to prevent. The potential change our climate that would be cataclysmic to -- to civilization and all the species on earth. We should do it. Absolutely and another another issue though is the effect that climate change global warming whatever we're gonna be referring to but I -- we prefer climate change. It does have an impact on Pennsylvania and so I mean we -- feeling the effects locally as safe as it relates to our food. Our economy I know Intel yesterday you and I -- we're we're talking about snowmobile and you know that there's there's changes as far as a recreation in our area. So you know locally we've got to pay attention to -- the impact it's gonna happen on our local economy you know. If you're skier -- you gonna wanna hang around Pennsylvania for the winter. Now now you're not gonna -- Pennsylvania Avenue and the smoke billowing. And so forth I'm not sure that's all negatives necessarily but certainly don't want for the reason that the -- Bright and a lot of the information that I am pulling now on last year we we really had the pleasure of -- partnering with -- future as well as the red dale institute and we had a -- you know climate change and the effect on and on pennsylvanians. At the -- hillside farms. It's wonderful turnout lots of excellent speakers. So a lot of the information that we're using today comes from on scientific journals statistically proven. -- papers regarding regarding climate change and you know Delaware just briefly now talking about the winter. I winters are now four degrees warmer than they were in 1970. Portuguese can make a big difference you're talking rein yourself. -- -- that people don't think of them as being very -- fault it's judge -- I mean they talk about Warner to a degree change melting and also via polar ice caps right. I mean that causes secede to come off. It's insane -- you know if I like to put this into perspective people aren't. Always think about the big picture -- I said this a few. Maybe a month or so ago during one of our discussions and the story goes and what you believe in creation -- god created the earth where you believe then. Natural formations of things. Everybody kind of increases in the beginning literally in the -- The earth was void without -- all of gases and Dirk floating around all the minerals were airborne and content consolidation happen on the rock. -- underneath the water condense and oceans formed. Fans at that time all the parliament on earth in a small that we -- on was an atmosphere. And the affect then then that. Equality important what you would have been able to breathe at that time would have been equivalent to what -- -- out of it. -- a exhaust pipe when your car. So we couldn't have lived down and I don't think their main people who debates that over time creatures lived and died by the trillions in the permanent motions. And they -- they're bacteria and diet tones and Chris stations. And little. Photo plants and so planting little critters that died by the plug brilliance. And are crushed under sediment and form these tremendous loyal pockets that we have and gas pockets. And limestone indictments this earth and coal plants formed coal. And so they were called carbon sinks so we took that atmosphere carbon out of the air. And some fit under underground they're called carbon sinks. And humanity found these sources of energy -- untapped sources of energy hundreds of years ago and started burning them. And we've we may have changed things as a result of that because we're trying our best. To revert back to that original scenario. Whether it was 6000 years ago or 4000000005. Billion years ago depending upon who want to believe it. Where we basically had. Unprintable here. And we don't know what it was like them because we weren't there but -- truly those gases cause tremendous heating of the atmosphere. From the world and we're creating net. We're kind of being don't. And it's preventable if we use other sources of -- conserve if we don't do all that up if we try not to -- -- if we use the sun. Which does not contribute any impact. So. Are we -- isn't proven are we leaning towards. That we're actually causing climate change. I don't know where are contributing -- I don't think anybody's -- so I think the -- -- scientists -- -- -- secure -- strength and it's impossible to replicate. The experiment. We're in an experiment. It's impossible to go back and compare notes from billions of years ago and so this is what was in this was the impact of X. Factor of some of input and so we were conducting an experiment you can argue forever. And it it doesn't really matter to me if it's possible that were impacting. And it's common sense that. We could be. Because were were putting the stuff that was very good carbon under the ground we're pumping it back in the atmosphere and nobody can deny that. That's how we're heating our homes by burning coal. And oil -- creating electricity by burning those things and so we're putting carbon dioxide carbon monoxide. Nitrous oxide. Methane back into the atmosphere that that cannot be argued and on how you can argue that OK because that business is a fact every time you turn your -- you're doing. OK talking about this then -- I -- just -- have -- actually don't have a little bit I was gonna talk about this later in the show but this is about them are. Contribution of heat trapping gases. And -- coming across these statistics. And it's Pennsylvania again focusing on our and our state here. Pennsylvania produces more heat trapping gases than 100 in one countries combined. And more heat trapping gases than 47 states is only two ahead of us that's California and Texas. So what we need to do want to. We need to do we need to make a change an NB for the show again we -- we were having a discussion among ourselves. So -- Pennsylvania. You know contributes so much what can we do how can we possibly change when we're so focused on industry. It's a lifestyle I mean you know we're not gonna change the factories that are here we're not gonna change production. But it has to be way to reduce what we are releasing and then therefore contributing to the problem. Well why would Pennsylvania. That's one reason we a lot of our homes are still heated by coal temperament of fuels. We're in northern so we have a lot of sheep we have to create although southern folks' views. Burns energy in the form of -- But on top of that Pennsylvania has more roads than any other state United States. -- that means people are using those frozen driving their cars and we've got some heavy industry here and some very large cities so. I don't know exactly every reason why Pennsylvania's response bulls for so much that but there are certainly things we can do. If we doubled the fuel economy or cars we'd cut through half the impact of our current. Cars burning the fuel. And cut in half the carbon released if we have slit our house is Albanian cut in half the expenditure for energy. Tougher heating your home. If you traveled less if you didn't develop the outskirts of cities you you intensify and housing. And lived a wonderful communities like I broke them books during the sixties you wouldn't have to drive at all. So and there are things that can be done it's it's it's just that there is no plan and that's why the lancet also -- exists of a weak start creating some plan. Some recommendation. This institute we talk about creating an so I think tank. As a whole purpose for -- Foreman plans also farms. So that we can work on some of these problems and create a plan that does not accessed. The things that we talk about every week other people are not talking about there is no plan -- inexcusable. I'm Chad this is this is actually very good because some some -- listeners right now can be saying -- I'm glad I'm not moving to the city I have my house or I cannot afford. To put in energy efficient appliances. Or I cannot afford to do this -- have to drive to to my place of employment. You know what we're suggesting here just does not make sense. But you're buying a home. And and you're making the investment in a lot of efficiencies. And you're finding a way to make it work now granted you're moving into a home that you're going to be remodeling and making -- energy efficient the best of your ability. But you're finding some pretty unique ways to make it done in you know make this happen so your investment is really gonna pay off not only for -- years down the road financially. In terms of saving energy. But also helping the environment and perhaps reducing any any of the stuff that got so many of us are putting out there controlled. Oh yeah there's and -- -- -- play invest more into umpire. The mechanics of the house Obama higher mortgage payment from listen if you go home mortgage payment least able to bomb. The prices of fuels -- Verizon phone generally just rise this a trend line and I think all of this goes back to. Show we did a couple weeks ago it's good stuff you said the worst outfits always aspect the stuff so. If people consume less. This this isn't that we'll have a major impact as well on -- on fuel consumption overall. Unless and -- commenting spend more money unless stuff so -- -- spend less money necessarily Hussein go after quality. To westerners energy efficiency. And and that won't -- everything done especially if you buy USA mint products. Bomb because those reduce our transportation raw material used mining everything that's required and so when you buy some thing. And doom. Try to buy it for me it's gonna last ten years not -- -- -- -- -- eighty bucks instead of thirty bucks -- you didn't have to buy three more times during that decade when you're probably use a lot less fuel. To create -- That's all about making the investment now focuses trillion investment that will pay off. Years down the road. There's something Iran does he when I was -- -- about prior to six years ago we have this option of making an agreement facility or not done so we super insulated that. Really supreme -- made it so tight that we. -- this incredible and then when we exhaustion after exhausting air and air to keep those building healthy for people. I don't know whether it's ten or fifteen times an hour and -- blowing heated air around the winner. And so we treated this as we -- a purchase a system that has account our current exchange mechanism -- -- storms these exhausted energy. Nancy 85% of this and so did not affect the that is our utility bills are really really really low so yeah we invested 5% more on -- buildings. And we've gotten back her -- They'll continue to be a productive building muscle -- plus expenditure requirement on the planet earth. So it can be done. And it does require enormous amount front but it means something people can do what commander. They can drive unless they can get more efficient vehicles and or loss of choices. And better arena. They can buy local they can shop local this stuff like the only talk about this all the time. How far products travelled some 2000 miles on Eritrea average food item. By something thrown down the road hasn't traveled anywhere you know -- normal patrol's a hundred yards across throat. So it's that simple there are tons of things people can do -- There needs to be a resource so people can go to one location and get all this training and it was right talks. They need to be taught -- share information absolutely do care and I think the majority of people do care out there I really do I think the majority of people have no idea. What we're talking about. I think the majority of people don't know what her options are they don't know that it's real concern they feel like why can't do anything about it. And so they don't -- an awful lot about it. Because they don't know what they convinced that if they don't know what they do that doesn't mean that they don't care so I think that the missing link here is too good to teach and to demonstrate and to show them ways. That they can make a difference and they can make a big difference I just taking small steps in the lives. All those little steps -- up to change absolutely I'm OK we've got to take a commercial break we'll be right back. I'm doctor Doug air's board chair of the -- hillside farms. We -- 412 acre historic nonprofit educational dairy farm located in city -- town Pennsylvania. Here we produce hillsides gold an exceptional line of milk cream and butter. This your -- line reflects our deep rooted -- some of sustainable humane farming practices. Hard dairy -- spends most of the day roaming pastures and eating grass. This time honored choice to keep our heard outside rather than -- and a -- as lasting impact on the health more milk. As wells environment. Cartels never receive growth hormones to boost oil production nor do we -- antibiotics Tor fees. Hillside gold as a delicious way to nurse her body was beta carotene vitamin -- But to me and cons get a little -- essence was according to scientific data. May reduce the risk of cancer and heart disease. For more information visit hillside farms -- -- And -- -- back to -- former today we are talking climate change and wanna move on to see impacts. On the quality of life and again we're referring right here in our backyard here in Pennsylvania. We're losing our identity were actually in and by that I mean the products that are known better Pennsylvania products. The economic losses now Pennsylvania currently has one point six billion dollar industry know this is a combination. A fishing and hunting scheme. The sugar maple and the tourism industry I mean. All of these things is it's what we're known for -- what Pennsylvania is known for. And there's a change she you know one of the articles that I read -- said you know according to the EPA and the National Wildlife Federation. As well as the -- Union of Concerned Scientists predicts that cold water Trout population could decline. By 40% within forty years. That's significant. Why is that it's the water. Correct. And enter a bunch of reasons why I think of it heats up. You don't have cold water. Fisheries for the Camry -- recent is that correct -- and then the other thing is the with a loss from the hemlock -- is used to treat the forest to the Colonia waterways. We lost them off because we shipped in a forum disease -- had tilted from overseas. So -- for the questions. Yes so. Cold water Friday Kohler case Trout has Nicole because of draped over trees and there's -- water and then the streams. There's all sorts reason for this acid rain is another problem when you burn coal. The -- falls the earth and threw in the rain in the acid rain comes across from the fish tons of reasons why this is the problem. But it does ten all go back to the way we use our energy. What in the cold and you know I hate to say coal is bad. In moderation probably all these things are problem. This system -- putting all our eggs in one basket Reliant Energy companies determine what we use we have a false subsidies because the true cost of these. Of flicking your light switch on are not really added up where we're getting subsidized. Government and -- and posterity is gonna pay the price. They're gonna pay the price for our thinking in reality. Capitalism is great and it works fabulously if you let it run true but we falsified by. Putting off the true cost of what we're doing. OK you know yesterday that US may come why this topic why we're doing this topic today about climate change. And and I replied that it had to do listen you know there are pretty weather in the weather report for the next week in and what that had me do what I was thinking about this at a farm was. You know I started thinking about the -- -- -- and I started thinking about the other animals and I started thinking about the pastors and how the heat and then the intense rain would be affecting these animals and that's -- you know like this is something we can relate to. People drink milk people have ice cream people eat fruit -- that are out. So -- -- I wanna I wanna actually you know throw this to you because -- agriculture. You know Pennsylvania is the fifth largest producer of -- in the United States the top producer of mushrooms. Common in the fourth largest producer of Apple's. Free stone peaches and takes. Yet a dairy farming because of the stress on the cows the heat stress on the -- it's predictable lose up to 20% of its production by 2100. Now okay yeah that's years down the road and I understand that. But if we're looking at the effects of what do you do to take care of the animals I mean OK so for instance we've had heat -- and and I'd seen with the cows are stressed. What do we do now in the situation we're gonna have a week of ninety degree weather it's going to be terribly humid. The cows really can't stand themselves we don't have air conditioning for the cows honey take care of the animals. Don't -- is one of those days yeah it's humid out there taught com. They cows no production -- -- down on the list Korea -- hundred cows I know. Don't want square foot in the trade in a corner although you know what -- milk production Gaudin that's in that's a great and I don't think that they're eating as much power and term. Who drew a mariner stressed out -- on the more comfortable there are the better performed. For more days so there and today with the fans won't. Don't go out a night who what when it's nice round. And every -- want to save this that this is where there's just this feedback because cycle. So say let them know consumption population grows -- even Mormon because our nation must smoked and now we -- and mean more cows than we have more machinery moving around. And we have. I'm more -- going into the atmosphere for the same -- or warm warm up proportionate to cows less smoke -- the problem gets works some. So it's basically because because we want more again it goes back to the us wanting more. Oh yeah almost an insult us Douglas -- is -- like to -- about. How some produces much to say don't eat dinner spend your energy trying to cool so they're standing out there we don't let -- so there have accessed on the grass we have tonight. Harvest -- to bring in the month that's the whole intensive agricultural cement scenarios we try to avoid. So the cows would have to be left if this continues like you're saying all next week is going to be ninety some period you know they can't Norah in the death. Still they just will suffer if they're so we keep the men. In California remember Darius they have ministers that go off the journal of the grass the -- they just stand are conquered all day remembering feed to them we don't like -- model. Our model as they go out and -- Grasso wealth. Produce their milk come in and we know that from the animal strived. Think gets too hot for too long they cannot well we have to harvest the team for the and that's energy stupidity. Because even though that's the big grandma all the way it works in this country. Ideally the animal harvests its own food. The better it's better for them it's better for us Prius better falling off. Another quality of life issue for us and for the animals gone as well. You know when it's hot and humid. You know we don't use any pesticides on the farm. You know I think insects I think flies. And that's polo scenario where it can be very dangerous uncomfortable for one thing for humans and pretty animals. But that also breeds its own own level of danger. Yes a whole interest in topics that are in need. Diseases including third and mosquitoes in this country that never existed before their diseases never existed before. Yeah I think gets warmer those diseases there -- tropical like diseases like thank you fear. Mosquito borne disease will move and malaria will move -- -- -- carried by the organisms that spread it. And so. It's got. Creep up that's gonna creep north we're going to be living with organisms and diseases could not seen before in Pennsylvania. We're gonna lose species as the temperature increases and we begin an amendment say southern Virginia. We're gonna lose a loved those beautiful trees you referred to before. The reason why people come here in the fall for tourism it's -- beautiful forest. We're losing all of those species the maples tomorrow the most colorful ones smaller red color. We're gonna lose that species is it cannot exist and he. My performance Weber providing to learn from the expanding into so. You don't -- -- like that when he goes south of here you don't have the beautiful colors that's why Vermont so pretty visible maples flood Vermont -- served -- us. And we won't have maple syrup because we won't have sugar maples thing besides that. -- rains will putting huge stress on those trees. So between acid rain and heat change is remember a whole different. Forced. To send it. Blodget Clayton put on hand trees we don't have the shelter. We don't have -- cooling. Function so the annals of the mammals the birds may have to move to Elmo will lose certain species that this has been going on since. For hundreds -- like a hundred years ago we have that in the light that came through that killed the chestnut trees. -- 40% of our trees in the state we're chestnut trees to deal with hundreds of bushels of adjustments piece. Shouldn't massive amounts of animals when they were wiped out by an imported disease. We lost a food source so I can't imagine what was like facts and the amount of wildlife that we have that could have been no longer have. As you lose your species. I know I wonder what -- on the Calvin as the number of tree species that we're losing is just insane and the gas is going because of the Chinese and -- -- imported disease. It's just not that I said -- and it's just it was 40% of the trees that had gases seven story there's forty some preserve trees gone. The -- we lost our -- from. A disease that came and the -- -- -- were I don't even know what it was we're gonna like throw going to have to ship in Chinese trees have a treat. The -- I mean really -- that's a serious concern because many of these countries that we had died from -- diseases. So what will we have. And people aren't even aware the so don't think about this and foresters lament about it the ones who care about. Portable looks like in fifty years possibly a lot of forestry just worries about the next five years what they're gonna harvest. But it -- -- think about the people 200 years from now so these are issues that bother us. Because I personally am not happy that people didn't think about whether I had a chance to see it chestnut tree. I am not happy that I can't see and don't know murder passenger pigeon that was all unnecessary that we lost these creatures are gone forever. Well we're also NA I want and now instant gratification way of living in and you know if you also think you know pre World War I. And and continuing -- it was you know. Let's this is the American dream that was built and it was work and it was you know it. Everything good so no. We didn't think 200 years down the line we probably didn't think 75200. Years down the line because we were so focused on the now. But I think what happened is that now has. Increased tenfold. To the point where we're just not only depleting resource is here but we're making the making resource extinct. -- how we gonna get back you know you're talking about loss of species. I also think about loss of health. You know we if you think about the impact that this can have on health and again the extreme weather the extreme weather patterns. Where he'll build to build a house Lewis Libby the ability of the planet in certain places. Just the polar ice caps truly do not like some people predict that it takes up. Large swaths of the United States for the secret -- I mean it. I'm not I have truly conservative human being but I care about the environment and I care about. America -- about earth and all these species I think that's extreme and I hope it -- extreme. And so if we're doing something to make that. Disappear and destroy the nest. That we -- only have one asked to deliver the first screwing and it bothers me. And it bothers me because of what posterity is gonna inherit and it's just plain irresponsible it's not godly. For those who believe in -- Even if you didn't care about the environment known to -- conservatives and if you only cared about the economy the impact of this on the economy isn't insane number you don't. Funding -- I mean every tornado every church and every flood com please shut down the farm. I don't know maybe six basis have been there I never saw anything -- -- in my life just getting flooded. And a place where I thought you were -- they were up on the mountain will be fine and now we're not down -- downtown right next wherever. And so there's definitely an economic impact social and really just doesn't even care about the environment should care about the issue of. It's great because the earth is truly -- -- and if you think about the losses from losing those trees were just talking about it. Think about the value and those chestnut trees which was that perhaps the best wouldn't ever existence. 40% of our force is gone because of them. He had 7% is going to become a few years I don't know the percentage of -- from the other species that are time walnuts are gonna go this. We're gonna lose a walnut trees for the family care. Well. It all -- -- adds up to our pocketbooks. And as -- further species and it adds up for the potential survivability of humanity to. Think what we need to deal also look at their ripple effect you know Tom what happens here in Pennsylvania does affect those who are living and in California. You know nobody is just living behind -- glass walls where it's okay and it's crazy goes everywhere. Definitely you know whom we talk about a lot of negative stuff everywhere -- the new ideas we talk about it because we believe that there's there's a potential to shift the trajectory. We believe a seven billion people we tweaked our behavior patterns that we can totally shift this trajectory of the other direction we're and and so we believe that humanity can and just and save money and strive to himself. It's just that we have to identify the problems I hope the folks don't think that remains negative all the time although I realized that we are. Well I think look I don't just mean realists and and it's not necessarily negativity but you know look outside you see what's happening. I'm the things that we talked about with the family the breakdown of the family breakdown of community. It's really it's it's at risk -- in itself this is not at risk of becoming endangered if not it's extinct. So no they -- it can seemed at its negative. But. Will kinda -- you know left proverbial slap in the face this virus this is what our futures and not only for us forward talk and our kids and our grandchildren and our great grand children. You know we've also got to think about knows. That are coming down the -- that they do deserve access to clean water and clean air and food supply and healthy government and health insurance and things that we take it take for granted right now. -- you shaking your head. I just I'm shaking my head yes something -- something inappropriate and thinking before. Do we were were negatively yes yes so before all these negative things happen before malaria and makes its way. So looks very -- and it's not here yet. So the listeners could come out cosigned next Saturday and save it from a yes to our summer fare. From 2 PM to ten -- peninsula. Wine tasting and a Susquehanna brewing company is going to be there. Number and a mother and nature sons and all that's -- go low you can hopefully the tropical on the since. That's really good and and and -- they but they learn mother there. Well we have a lot of local. Providers of products are beekeepers daughter we have the people and make the alpaca. Products for a storm but it's good to begin this mostly -- famine there's games. -- and less wind maybe -- kids there this -- band had to munch on all local vendors. I think it's important to that it said at hillside farms. Basically because again we're an educational farm -- teaching farm and you get a chance to walk around and perhaps. Even that sees some some wonderful wonderful historic buildings in animals and a lifestyle that's really committed to sustainability. We have to take commercial break we're doing that right now and will be back. Olympic hillside farms is a historic 412 acre nonprofit classroom without walls. Located in -- town Pennsylvania our mission is to teach life choices that are healthy sustainable and practical we also provide educational tours and programs for students can see and touch taste and smell to learn about math science and nutrition ecology history animal husbandry and diversity are friendly for late call educators include -- is -- ponies goats -- -- pack is donkeys. And of course our rock star pig Alice are dairy store mercantile in garden center so unique quality local American made and fair trade products. From nearly 275. Vendors. Each purchase supports the farm and its mission delay -- -- hillside farms growing wiser together for more information visit hillside farms dot org. And then. Remember plowing forward. This afternoon we're talking about climate change and we're gonna focus on right now on. The impact on health. And this is information that we pulled up regarding allergies and asthma but some very interesting statistics on. As expected higher temperatures on and more carbon dioxide. They're already making Realogy seasons worse by stimulating plans to produce more pollen. Now in Pennsylvania in Allentown Philadelphia Pittsburgh Lancaster Harrisburg and Scranton may -- 2009 list. -- the most challenging places to live with asthma. In the fall of 2000 eighths on mid may in the most 100 challenging places to live with asthma so basically what's going on is Jesse got a higher temperatures. And more carbon dioxide in increases finding grass with two ways to make small growth. And it also helps poison ivy. Become larger and more poisonous. So again you've got to whether you have this this external factor here the weather. That is not only had making it more difficult to breathe because of the ozone. But it's starting to tweak with what's growing on the -- and as a result we're suffering animals are suffering but humans are suffering primarily. So -- increases. -- increases my -- for a lot of reasons as -- I think as the number one killer woman between thirty and forty years of did you think that's accurate. Edit the one of the primary causes is actually fossil fuel burning because the release of the articulate. In the air. -- -- long -- and so asthma allergic reactions. Experience in the pulmonary tract has so you have Poland to it. And the air quality diminishes because of carbon out. And you're gonna have more health problems and more people be done. Think the impact on the elderly yeah and again Pennsylvania is has hasn't elder elderly demographic. And the impact that will have. I'm just basic breathing and they're not gonna go out they're gonna sit in those who who have air conditioning you're gonna sit in your conditions on the jury apartments or wherever you are. And again it feeds the fuel that feeds the problem so you've got this cycle and continues. Just what we need more people sitting inside sitting -- RA but it is what it is and and so what do you do about it so what's again what's the teachable moment here what can we don't. -- Chad what's the trees formulas we've been saying it useless fossil fuels vote for people who care. Carrier self pay attention and do what often we talk about and others talked -- and have -- of a -- carbon footprint. Eat less meat would help. There's millions things you can do by a smaller hard drive plus Linux community walk more. Tons of things. So basically. Regardless of year you're economic circumstances or your age. Here in comic -- Iraq. Everybody pretty much can do one or two small things that collectively can make a difference -- -- hundreds of -- so we need to -- of things. If everybody did it to complete trajectory it would changed and it's simple stuff we told him. But we have to be realistic -- is everybody going to do it well they don't know that don't they don't know this problem a lot of people. But those listening right now know that there's a problem -- those who come to hillside farms those of many of them know there's a problem. And there in the changer -- they're the ones who are changing. And I think thirty years ago you would noon and her hearing about the stuff. Hopefully we change shouldn't affect the trajectory soon enough before the trajectory. Tricks is its own problem and wipes us out through one way or another so I mean you've talked about increased disease. Occurrence moral mosquitoes with this kind of weather -- more spreading a disease what fifty oceans rise. All these different things that can occur in the fact humanity they're talking about losing thirty or 40% among mammals on earth the next fifty years. I mean does that affect us this insane I don't think it affects us. Do enough people know about it now to enough people care -- they care if they don't know. Our goal is to teach people as much as we can and to give them options and there are tons of options. OK let's do this done let's talk a little bit more than in -- about how. -- hillside farms and its mission we we we say that it's saying it's an educational dairy farm it's a historic educational dairy farm. Founded in 2005 when he became a nonprofit. And you know anybody who's -- at the -- of the pharmacy we know we're going gangbusters since its just a phenomenally beautiful place sounded too busy all the time no matter what what day of the week. So we have families there and we can grandparents bringing their grandchildren there and and you know we have moms and dads just enjoying the streams and and walking with their children. But there's so much more to the lancet hillside farms and beauty it goes much deeper than the external be anything. -- people come because it lets give nice crown card and stroll around and see the beautiful scenery in the valley endless -- and some. The animals and they feel good because they're getting in touch with -- -- and they have good food when they got there. And -- nice thing to have for the community and people are appreciative but that's not really the reason why it was started it was started because it was an opportunity. The facility became available. -- purchase. By people who -- grant money and loans and so forth for the -- But it was a backdrop that -- -- looking for the people came to that they would seek out so when they -- we can -- and stuff we're talking about every week on the show. Then there are two parts took so you've got them facility where people come and visit -- -- -- -- -- student teaches you how to live a little bit better. And then you've got the same ten concept that. Led to this radio show and some of the other endeavors for we have going on where we try to teach the world. Where we are where we came from the good the bad the ugly and then -- To offer people to check. The choices that theoretically if we all chose we would change trajectory and Iran which in our opinion is not a healthy trajectory long term for posterity. If we change it then in 200 years those folks in May thank us all of because we've changed the way we're going and where we're living and then provide them with what we have now may be more resource. She's -- tech could you give us some examples Obama's executive director of millions of hillside farms you know we try our best to walk the walk. We don't just talk we we really deal and we're not perfect ten and we're still growing in and we make mistakes that we. You know we recognize our mistakes and try to crack -- as as quickly as possible. But what are some of the things that we do. At hillside farms that really support our our mission of teaching a sustainable and yet practical logical lifestyle. Well there's actually hundreds of them I probably could not rattle loss and some of the people that who worked there probably don't even realize there involved with choices like that. When we talk about a lot. This so simple as our fence posts are -- fence post armed men had a vote locally growing. Poetry -- and were able to use those posts and Iran and oil less blood pressure treatment. And so we don't we don't -- certified organic yet we use many of those practices. And that's one example lower obviously energy conscious -- We care about local products. We care about American made products for term affair trades and exposed to the way it's not only our mental. The way people are treated we care about Sam went so we -- to create this venue. That's amnesty go to and hopefully they bond and that's probably my most favorite thing is a seat. And issue a stay at home moms -- grand parents bringing their kids and I'm so -- even post on FaceBook I can't remember where they say what they said there in the usually travel to X place and have -- Simon their backyard and and that's an example providing recreation that's more local results must travel and it goes on and on -- there really are hundreds of examples though. Both of choices we make. That are more painful and a short term. Financially. But in the long term no less painful financially and -- less painful for an environment and are better for community. He -- what would you like to ask. We have and there are thousands of things that go on there. In the fact that people a lot of talent should be making a lot more money. Sacrifice that worked voice number of hours so they can do something for the greater good. There's something that if we all do that the whole world will be turned upside down and really revolutionized. Thought that people come there and by the hundreds and volunteer. And getting nothing in return. Except the satisfaction knowing that they're helping their community and they made the place local little prettier. The fact that it was created by people. Who wanted nothing more than to give back to their community and provide a resource like -- it was a privately held facility for hundreds of years. MM if it was purchased by people who give it back to the community. I mean these are examples of servant leadership. That's -- rare anymore and they need to beat. Against the spread so we the farm is going to be designing a walking tour. We're with plaques. All over the place for you can walk from position to position station to station Henry didn't about the examples that we try to. Exemplify. And teach ways that we. Are more responsible or -- we simply are. And we share that with the folks they're gonna know what we're talking about getting their rain gardens there to absorb water where we finish off the water in the stream. Rather -- -- you know allowed flooding -- downstream who we do all sorts one of the things the fence posts things an incredible story. The quality of the foods that we grow the way we treat our animals -- we raise our animals the quality of the products the food products are so much better for you. The idea that when you have cattle eating grass rather than feeding on them. Not only are they eating something -- around they don't you know have to spend fossil fuels burn. In order to harvest them. But the milk products that they produce -- eggs that are produced when they do that. Are better product for you because they actually clean your body out of fasten. Fasten those foods actually clean your arteries -- I mean these are revolutionary. Concepts -- answering your backyard. And it's pretty. And we have suffered taste good and their -- it's full of caring people. Wanna help and -- it's also you know week we have to bring the -- The factory finance act. The impact that factory farming. Would have -- on he's not gonna call and global warming or climate change there has to be some sort of correlation there. Well factory farming and when you add up everything that we need to. If this this factory foreign concept to some form of industrialized -- industrialized agriculture so the model as the analyst at -- -- on food. We've got to get -- -- and grow the corn and oats and soybeans. And a halt to the creatures that are penned up in -- under stress. Being -- chemicals and drugs are handled -- the environment they're exposed to it and we're blowing through. Fossil fuels like crazy to do so because the model was created at a time -- fossil fuels were achieved. Now are not so -- And now we know the impacts are negative so the difference between our cows walking up on the hill harassing her own launched vs somebody sitting on a tractor. Burning fuel to harvest that for the men don't -- confront their noses. This massive I mean we've had a show we've had shows about the -- cows live longer our way. Produce a better product they don't need and a box the other cattle. Christiane concretely three and a half years compared Doris off from the going to be fourteen and had. It's just massive in the food type just called you the food is different less antibiotics the drugs are in the milk it just goes on -- Can make sense -- I'm not only is it more humane but. It makes sense to -- -- of Jesus in -- fossil fuels contributing less of global warming the whole place. There's attempted to mimic what we should be doing and we are not perfect there's no way that we're perfect as we can't afford to -- yet. Honestly the knowledge bases that are we don't know where they. Nobody knows everything but were at least trying to walk the walk. So that people can see it can be done is done and that people care. People care. People do care anxiety it is our job and the job of others to do -- -- to teach and to lead by example. But I think primarily that that people are good it and that they do care about what is going on Tom its unfortunately. -- and that we're you know we're and a hamster wheel as far as our lifestyle is concerned we're going going going in and -- going back to the words -- you know where. Working a full time job or any another job and we just accumulating stuff and it's just this never ending cycle. And it's tough to break that the the habit of convenience. And getting it now and -- quote cheap food even though it's not necessarily cheap but we think we see it is inexpensive. It's almost like we need to re teach it we need to read teach and that in itself as a monumental task. Stuff as the metal so -- that definitely if you pick every time we do these shows we drift into tougher security cover things -- tuchman -- and it was to get because it's all the same thing. And and it's all about -- own people. First of -- not everybody knows -- -- they know -- they take the time to learn. Com making choices. That we'll have the woman have a negative effects in the future so this is this whole sustainability think it's all the same thank all of it and wonderful. Thank you so much for listening to learn more about the -- hillside farms as well as some of our upcoming festivals and find a table dinners. Please go to your computer now and visit hillside farms dot org thanks so much for listening had a great week.