Following is a paid program the views or claims -- you're not necessarily those of WI OK staff management or sponsors. Coming forward. I'm inspired science and logic sustainability. Hi Suzanne Kelly I'm joined today by doctor Doug garrison -- Muslim until -- times. Over the last several weeks we've covered various topics related to sustainability. As a reminder of hillside farms we see system gets to say yes excuse me sustainability. As the trunk of the tree from which numerous branches represent unique yet equally important areas that together provide. The same if not better resource is to those born 200 years from now. Now we've covered issues related to the environmental food security factory -- is humane farming natural gas and infectious disease. Today we are talking about what may be the most precious resource family. Specifically -- is today's family sustainable. Can we continue the pace of extreme the multitasking. Often associated with the illusion of balance. Among professional personal and parental responsibilities. How are we faring under increased financial and social pressures. Do we truly see and listen to our children our parents or spouses. Are we so rushed and even exhausted. That we moralist go on auto pilot we're basically going through the motions. Do we self medicate with drugs or alcohol by the accumulation of stuff. And do our kids do we even know. And what do you think about this 24/7 dependence on technology and how many of you and how many of us here in the W I okay studios right now checking emails right before retiring. Or sleep with Smartphones and nearby. Is it possible there's an increasing chance that we're basically existing more than living. I think it's safe to say that we all have a story to tell how positive and perhaps not so much. We welcome your calls with questions or comments the number here at WI LK is 8830098. Or 1804370098. Said Doug I know that you do not how many children come get your you're exposed on too many through the through your professional and personal life as well as your family. -- you have two daughters and I have a son. I think all of us can begin talking about they tremendous difference of how we grew up. And -- how will we didn't we -- kids as opposed to what kids are doing today so Doug what do we start with you. Well I don't contend. Have all the answers and it would -- that I come from an extremely dysfunctional backgrounds so I don't. -- -- -- quote I went through in general but I did have certain features I would identify as being very functioning -- Charlton. Certain ones. But if I can look can see out after 52 years -- if employers. And think about what life was like back in the sixties and compare it to now I look at the kids today. -- see most of them being overweight. I see them being seemingly having a lot less respect for their parents. They looked bored to -- yeah I see a lot of these just some news coming in his parents all day long with their animals I see them sitting in the chair all the parents stand. I see them sing their. Not dressed. Appropriately in my opinion. Not looking at me having an attitude of I have to ask some questions. I see a lot of umbrella parents who content of their kids really do no wrong it's always somebody else's fault. I see a lot of entitlement not system we just from the parents is this well. A lot of high expectations. Of kids as they grow up aside higher of them there weren't demanding they expect more harm without always -- -- -- The family is the source of all of us his car there's emphasis is they used to be. Nobody knocks on my door anymore -- kids knocking on my door asking the so much snow. Mean that's that's a real obvious thing I mean it's incredible because I was a kid you'd get Tony just a day trying to make them talk tough you know someone yourself. So the family what visit you know. When we talk about hillside farms -- also as far as the purposes -- define. Sustainable walks of life to define this path we'll all these different. Aspects of the path that we must define and walk enough Lewis must define and walk this thing. In the right way -- so than 200 years away we walked. Led to people then having more resources we have now Horwitz who can choose just -- Hedonistic send them in whatever way we want. But the goal -- is that teach as many ways we can put as many examples of McKenna having just there. And so I would say if you define the fabric of life. Do you think about what are we want to win in the day. Just think to yourself how you treat yourself well how you stay healthy. How do you help society as herself earlier in generous and courteous and all those aspects of hold those qualities we consider our redeemable. Then then you think about how we get it shouldn't be that way how you treat your family under raise your kids how wife and in the society how confident environment. However make sure that 200 years are familiar as I was that is now or better. -- -- -- gonna talk more battles at times in this role as far as. -- providing by example and shaping and perhaps heeding into influencing our families. -- you know you and I are aren't about ten years apart is as far as Asian and I can tell you that you know when I was little you know growing up in the -- -- Negroponte trucks -- You know we did have neighbors I mean my my has basically was surrounded by woods and we had a walk everywhere that we are going to go lower her have parents drive us but. I mean I was at my Brothers and I played in the creek and and and you know we kind treason and we used to do a lot of stuff outdoors -- basically outside as much as we could possibly be outside shall we weren't active. Very very active and I have a feeling that's kind of how you. Grew up 20 and is that something your daughters are experiencing today. Lending growth in the background my group downtown. Who -- -- a great deal of time outside but there to fishing or in the snow or anything like that and none. Today's my daughters to spend a long fulltime outside as well as things are on their way to those platforms -- now great pomp but. They're there is some kind of difference I can tell you that I had less -- and I was much more rapid and my kids are. I can't explain -- I can tell your marketing. Number there's some kind of expectations so there's this whole. -- that they have. Sometimes you angry about it and sometimes assume that a vote. So you think. Obviously I agree stuff does not necessarily make you happy. When my son was young and and because at times when I was with very little bump that was my playground that's raced in on hang on to Boggan and in the cow pastures which are now filled with with with huge mentions most of them are anyway. It's actually coming back to the firemen being full circle and being able to work at the farm is is just really phenomenal for me to do that and when my son Matthew was little. We were there all the time. I'm going from melting going for a screen men at that time basically looking -- one -- because what the you know we didn't have heard at that time. That he was able to walk around and end just kind of partake in things that. That one necessarily available. And I think it makes a difference and I think you're right about the stuff so. So why do you think the stuff isn't you know you've got things around you you can basically in today's society have what you want. And that's not necessarily filling the gaps for the kids it's not satisfying. Them. They're missing something. I don't know what they're missing. Played today I would give it to them. When we doctor Ayers does but. But I do know that it is sort of it's almost like a drug addiction serious -- -- home this afternoon so maybe is a car. -- you feel great about it for a couple weeks Bryant wears off and your back and and in the next thing. It's a good point Doug. I know when I was growing up and get hardly anything how -- I have to admit I -- growth in front of a TV to some degree because my parents both worked. My father's office. And I I did suffer that aspect of what I think we have now with the environmental earned the that exposure to all the Asia. Technology stuff. But I think I -- attention deficit problems I can't pay attention hardly at all but it. It was so different then and now life is so different we didn't have to look I think fact. We didn't have one and fifty kids who were artistic in my opinion I just don't believe that happens and I don't think that I can tell you for sure that. We didn't have these. Teacher's assistants who followed children looked around. Because there were disruptive screaming and Klaus screaming out four letter words I don't have to do so they're -- children like that so where were these and returns. This is something or won't there's something different. And back then if if your kid did something wrong there was -- accused of doing some terms. The parent. Would go to the kids they wouldn't call the teacher and say what to do do my well -- we would an anonymous -- responsibility different here. And so the stuff thing as obvious time to solve a Smart growth. I actually had a better situation in this one respect them and anybody I knew I work with my fault -- a lot. And I don't think that's replacing boy you know if you go back a hundred years ago before her Carson before. Mothers work to -- There were people are a lot of people were agrarian and it's true they lived on the farms. Primarily. And families have. Kids go to school during the cool months and they didn't go to school in the summer well why. Because to kids have to spend that's for four months working with the families of the debris is the crops they can survive that meant the father and the mother in the kids. Posted their tails in the fields growing crops raising animals together. You don't see families doing that and more parents seem to have guilt about having their kids have responsibilities. When they do estrogen to do something they feel they have to pay them this is gone the way I grew up. I growth helping my father do things physically on a farm that I knew he had to do to help us -- And it was a bomb that was beyond belief that I don't think exists I. I can't remember really doing much at I was kind of born child I was -- marianas were told time. And I can't remember we're really doing anything wrong because I just was so so afraid of hurting my family's feelings. I cared so much about not wanting to hurt them. Or embarrass them and it's just not that doesn't seem to be the attitude anymore kids don't seem to have fear. Post and I am not saying they should be afraid of their parents may be a little fear isn't wrong at least fear of hurting their feelings or. Having them not be as happy you with what you're doing. They're just hasn't seemed to be as much respect and yet I see these kids not being half. You think the more you give them -- they would be happy and I'm convinced that that's the opposite. And as your statistics that you're gonna roll out some of the things -- -- of them written on the paperwork to do damage for this preparation. It's just unbelievable how much time are spending alone you know a hundred years ago we have this concept this. This close family were think about it you couldn't you have cars you went on horseback -- so. You read a grandparent your grandparents. Aunts uncles. And your neighbors in this tight cluster. And even before that we're tribal. So think about being travelers hundreds of listening unit so that if there's a problem you never face it alone and now. I was like if you go to work alone you go to school loans you commute I think the average commute is 35 minutes you're sitting in -- car -- And then when you're at home even at dinner series sitting there with them to see in your hand typing your texting to your fixer for instance you know our eye -- eye contact there's no -- dialogue. We're human beings we need to be touched we need to be looked in yacht. We just shared time. We need to work with one another and actually do physical things was formally take care of our bodies -- minds or souls and we need community. We've lost -- us. And we have lost a lot of that that how how does one go and get it back you have parents working you have many parents that need to work both parents have to work com. Just to basically you know pay their bills and to put food on the table but -- you also have children involved in sports and extracurricular activities and and you know how do you how do you even begin to Rain Man -- and we're not even you know. We're not even getting into the whole technology aspect are ready when when concerned kindergarten and how long they're exposed to technology on a daily basis. But if you look at where we are today and even -- you know with you how do you. Bring it back a few steps to start at that basic again. We'll start I don't have to really bad job there there yeah. So knowing there was -- work a lot of hours in the hunt. Obviously from my phone right now actually tonight -- -- lose fifty pounds and when my kids are talking and we sometimes I don't even chairman it's not because I don't care is because I'm so tired. The President Clinton prime I do same thing and there's time that I feel terribly terribly guilty about that and end. You know I have one child who's who's twenty now. And and it's. You know I look and I say you know am I doing the best possible job for him so when he goes forward and he has a family. You know is he gonna has it improved as you always want the next generation to improve and you wanna do better. But are we setting ourselves basically up now this me generation and all of us are included minute on that were really sailing the next generation and the one after. There it I think it's human nature. To want love your child. At least it should be human nature and just always absolution because slugger -- -- inherent. That people want to help their kids avoid painful. Stress. They wanna help them along and prevent pain. Yes my personal opinion that that instinct. Because of a wealthy society and we are wealthy society and in the corner decider Woolsey compared to oral -- That we have given them so much so we've forgotten the fab work we've forgotten the things that really matter to give them. Which -- time. Experiences. That are relevant and not experience a sitting in front of the TV. What about the ways in front of the -- her experiences of taking them I'm working with them on solving problems. Actually counseling and caring to ask who their friends or what they're doing spending in real time and eating together. I remember I was had a tore -- -- listen you give a part of the toward kids he said that the kids Suzanne. That at one time. But while ago when you were a little girl people used to assemble to eat the whole thing and we would mean it virus 6 o'clock he would sit at the table he would eat together. And the kids looked that you -- crazy and I was like what's to like messier this one by. Thanks I can't believe that no longer have. -- -- it we lasted pretty get back and talk about her children and the communication some face to face and and you know applying this technology. In the meantime we do need to take a quick commercial break we'll be right back. I'm doctor Doug air's board chair of the -- hillside farms. We -- 412 acre historic nonprofit educational dairy farm locations here in town pennsylvanians. Here we produce hillsides gold an exceptional want to milk cream and butter. This your dairy line reflects our deep prudent -- some of sustainable humane farming practices. Our dairy -- spends most of the day roaming pastures and eating groused. This time honored choice to keep our heard outside rather than -- and -- lasting impact on the health more milk. As wells environment. Are -- never receive growth hormones to boost oil production nor do we -- antibiotics Tor fees. Hillside gold -- -- delicious -- -- nurse her body was beta carotene vitamin name. But -- and cons get a little lake essence was according to scientific data may reduce the risk of cancer and heart disease. For more information visit hillside farms dot -- And welcome back to plowing forward today we aren't talking about the unsustainability. Of families. Are we headed down the right track and run track and what can we do to kinda get ourselves back contract. Briefly we're gonna touch of bond and the impact of technology on the developing child and and we have some other areas that we're gonna talk about including. Divorce on single families. Drug abuse alcohol abuse starting at startling. Early ages and in the statistics are just it just quite disturbing. But. This this one and there's this -- -- that I have. Is age 2010 Kaczur foundation study that shows elementary age children came would -- and the little kids here. Elementary age children use on averaged seven point five hours per day of entertainment technology. Okay 75%. Again little kids were talking grade school kids here have televisions in their bedrooms. And 50% 50% 50% of North American homes have the TV on all day. And it it kind of brings it home by saying gone is the dining room table conversation. And it's replaced by the big screen and take GAAP and I gotta tell you there are many times I'm guilty is that as well as as well is is the take out for the quick fix. But. Technology is good and technology saves lives and technology can be so instrumental in education and other areas within our lives. But at the same time it's almost like it has equally become an electronic baby sitter. Did a plucky kid down in front of the TV or computer screen or one of these hand held devices. And sometimes I think it's a little too convenient. Anyone chat board -- had any have any thoughts or opinions on on what we just talked about here. A lot of kids. I think just to think about what a child would have been doing with seven and a half hours of the day. 400 years ago or 25 years ago compared to now and maybe that would explain why they look and act like they do yeah they look. More. There have here journalism shaved soul of their have been done I think that would have been running on the outside -- You know. They now live in suburban a lot of people live in suburban areas of -- -- -- really -- neighbors and between cars everywhere -- parents -- carting around. Your time in the car loan. His system. That it's common sense I think so a hundred years ago elections without working with the family fishing and encouraged solving problems building sand castles. Love -- ever had a slingshot shooting at targets. There would have been doing things that made their minds work in a very different -- -- sitting there staring at a machine breath waiting for some -- grim -- -- It doesn't make sense a fast food -- yes it's not gonna work. Chad what are your thoughts. I don't my kids don't want series seven and a half hours and -- Leno and unfortunately some. Newman my wife on the woes at home -- and so she's third certainly do get into a lot of effort -- reason. Still because I work at hillside plus there's a benefit -- that. Initially it was one of the big reasons I wanted to go there are. I saw in the future you know I only have one daughter -- I saw -- saying where it's because it's so unusual in the workplace is on office. Firm and I can imagine my wife bringing her uniform interacting -- wasn't that you know that's. That's happening this happening and there's a benefit and actually you know anybody can do it -- we are. We are open and Republican in many areas and now component. Screaming for products they can do it it's always a place where if they don't have everywhere where they're I think you -- -- -- take advantage of that old time. It's interesting because of -- heard from adults who do this and and I've done it myself as well is. Is you sitting in your office and you're working in your stress in your focus and then I just say it up. I need to go see cow I'm like really like I need and what. Paying is is that I cannot look at the computer screen anymore -- am under so much pressure I need to get up I need to walk across the road. And I just need to spend some time kind of -- connecting. And there's nothing like the feeling. Of a pending a calf are having the Catholic view or just walk around and looking at the goats and looking at sheep. And and I have again I've had volunteers unpaid people volunteered actually to tell me that as adults that they will leave their home and come down because they need to -- sex. It's just something about it and that is what's so special about about hillside farms is that. It is it's owned by the public and we we do have an open barn policy so as long as you know as long as the dairy stores opened the -- -- opened. You're welcome to walk in and and kind of take it -- land. And that's something that really is rare in our region so so when we talk that it's -- its original treasure. It it truly is. So that's a gift that that I think ought to work their bundles to make available to our children as well as the community so -- you can't. He can't put a -- price had gone on how special that is. I'm thinking of some of the kids are grown -- -- with them around for so many years now. I think to this one family with three girls who -- -- and German teams. And on and -- live for grossed more Conosoga since there are there are some of the hardest working ethical young ladies that you'll ever meet. They show -- 5:30 in the morning because they can't wait to get there. The one milk cows the other one is an educator the other one is still on high school. And they are extremely functional human beings that are kind of people love being around people pleasant. And they worked their tails off. And it's just deserve the farm life blessing and you can't I'm not sure but certainly if you think about the fabric of life. We're human beings we're meant to be with people we need community we need lots of people around us we need to feel safe. We -- feel like we have a place of purpose. Meaning and our allies we -- we really need to feel like we have a reason to exist. We want that we really need to be a part of our -- so what is our mess walls are home but the home fits him to a planet. And so kids used to go out and understands streams and fish and they see cows singing that milk came from accounts. And it doesn't work that -- staring him a little box. For seven and a half hours and then the physical impacts on this when you see the physical statistics on children. The degree of health changes that we're experiencing children. Certain ethnic groups of kids -- sternum -- -- straight at 35%. Of both black kids are demonstrating at the age of seven now. Why is something wrong but I don't know what it is some people feel Lou it's it's the obesity trends on the -- field this. Hormones and -- disrupt arrest but there are clear signs in society that we have big. Problems. I mean -- and obviously the weather is warm and they come on all the time must nature kicking back. But how about looking and our kids and comparing the statistics on what your -- go over. And think if you really solve this fifty years ago and you know. 58 years ago. Grandparents lived and died with the family. They didn't get shoved off into a nursing home and -- get shoved off to a day care centers on the parents to go off and make money so they comply everybody's stuff. There wasn't stuff. Honduras food a -- Choi is our house some heat and a model of hopefully. And a lot of times spent together and nature to play and it's not about women. The CC DC -- the centers for disease could not control and prevention just provided some statistics. About nursing homes and right now we have one point five million in nursing homes okay Tom. But but but what I found interesting is the average this day the average length of time dawson's admission. Is really only 835. Days that's not a lot of time. OK if you're if you're thinking about in terms of years you know little bit over three years. But. Do we have a choice must we put our parents and nursing homes and I mean. -- yes you wanna keep your parents close and that's the ideal you wanna keeping community and and again there's that connection there's that common thread. There's there's children understanding that they had grandparents. But are now at our nursing homes a necessary evil. I think the poisonous if you step back for a nursing homes or something. They're a symptom of families are tight -- -- symptom of neighborhoods that aren't -- Used to be in these elderly people were in the home town what happened when their in the home they talked about what life was like 4058. Years ago. And just listen to us the Petit grand parents would help the kids by babysitting them yeah sharing time with them loving them. Giving them the wisdom that was they were passing on the wisdom. The brain trust is in the nursing home. And we're Shelvin. It's an error kids and these. Elderly need to be in each other because it's the way it always was holed a family who could work Cohen went out and it worked. And I personally believe backing up from all of us. There -- we were working feverishly. First -- We want stuff. You don't mean all the crap in your life you don't need to have so many things you've worked so hard. You put your -- takes your your old your older parents and in nursing homes. You've often works you buster and make money if you're working half a society -- -- side doesn't hurt us all a question. If if if work for the problems. I mean if you were -- and more or working and so forth how well all the people who don't work -- sitting at home early -- more functional parents I don't think so I live in Philadelphia for four years. I thought it was horrendous. There you know your father has some volume do you do what chance do you have some name. I think somebody else to talk yeah. That's a. We'll make sure for me I mean I'm I'm blessed with a time of great family on their -- -- Cordero is my parents my -- plans my in laws. I don't see you nursing home in the future for anybody. There I don't know how to proceed in my grand. I'm my -- parents when their -- everybody just chipped and took care room yes song I I wound up a new lease on my watch -- -- to let that happen to somebody. Yeah I can't condemn people who weren't positioned to. You look to to have to do that I mean when so many. Divorces occurred just are being raised in single households would solve all of her this year. How can you condemn somebody for not being able to take care of a parent if they simply cannot. Make him work right we've we've sweeps had a lot of things slip away we don't have the neighborhoods were uncles and can't scroll living in the same region. The car has solved that that was spread out wherever spread out and and the neighborhoods we have aren't really the narrow as we used to have. We don't know our members and solid when -- -- secure them and will -- were people wouldn't I would stop by and see ten or fifteen people lawyers and our reports and this is never condition amendments is set aside until cool down stairs. And so it's very different. But we can go back and part of the missiles also -- reflect. Pastor reflect on the past and say what would we like to pull from the past we've forgotten. That is that we've lost as far as concepts that were sustainable and we're hitting on all of them right now. Kids should be working with their parents they should be spending time with their parents solving problems parents should not be. Protecting them and blaming teachers for whatever goes wrong if something's wrong when a kid maybe they should be looking at the way they're raising their chipped. If there's forty or fifty for some other important one and fifty kids grow to six maybe we should be saying what in the world is wrong. There's something wrong. Yeah wasn't that way and statistically as scientists say it anywhere in the world would look at that and say there's something wrong. Because we don't one disease impact Immelt larger population. Percent of the population there's so there's something profoundly. Wrong. Is it possible however that. You could also say. We just more aware of it we're more aware of not to some right now that it's always been around. ADHD. And it's just now we're becoming aware. I think the statistics this is some conflict temperament I think some not some of this particular suit but I think the statistics of warm conditions. That can be very debilitating. Impact thing that larger percentage of the population just one condition. This disproportionate. And there is memory in this room I'm 52 years old there wasn't this degree of dysfunction. Well I was charles' I don't believe I just don't accept that I was in school all these kids in her. There's something wrong and maybe I'm wrong but I mean you have to investigate it we certainly aren't living a sustainable life. We're not eating well look at what children eat so gosh it's just her friend as well. It doesn't mean it's it's when we have kids come to the far men and sometimes if I'm fortunate enough and and I get to participate in a tour. It is that the children who do not know where their food comes from them they don't understand. That a chicken is alive at a chicken does not come in this little styrofoam box or. For that potato -- Grow in the ground the mash potatoes or they -- this -- potatoes they don't necessarily come from a box so that's a whole other area of a disconnect the serious disconnect because if you don't understand your food source. Then how could you respect it how did you spend it. And it could even be -- on the point where you're Shearer. Amber beer you're number on your mom your mom is exposed to all the chemicals will be exposed -- expose ourselves to. And you say and a number few weeks ago where kids -- -- -- in the local gas refining 200 chemicals. That they're checking for they remembered can be a lot more than turn on him on findings yes so how now trolls if you could be a chemical bath for nine months solution developed. Okay -- we're gonna talk more about that and other subjects including armed force. Sent some statistics on alcohol and drug abuse in grade school kids in junior high school kids. We're gonna take a commercial break and we'll be right back. Olympic hillside farms is a historic 412 acre nonprofit classroom without walls. 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And -- you know we've we've pretty much grew up everybody knew somebody who did drugs and -- maybe in junior senior high like someone. Smoked pot or someone. Would sneak a drink. But basically. What we're looking at now is an age group a fourteen to fifteen year olds that I have a higher average use of drugs and alcohol. Then the age group a 35 years and older and we're also seeing a spike. In the drug use of the over fifty age population. Okay so that's one thing that I wanted to share with you. One in five teens binge drink one in five teens. One in 38. Graders. Has tried alcohol. We're talking about junior high kids here. And this is this is actually. It's sickening on average a drunk driver. Has driven drunk eighty times before the first arrest. What it. How do you even begin to get your arms are not only around those statistics. But what's going on with our kids I mean and again I can remember being in junior and senior high and it was a handful of kids who might be doing drugs and really it was hot I mean that's. That's pretty much what they would do. Not that I am that I am condone owning it. But in retrospect when you're looking now at fourteen and fifteen year old who -- doing more drug and alcohol than 35 plus. That's insane that's out of control that's definitely a downward spiral. So why are they doing it why are we having eighth graders binge drink. Why is is teen alcohol just spiking. And -- thing is I mean c'mon guys there's more education out there there's more things in the media there's more there's more Saddam reports that are out there. Aren't they teaching this in schools at a very young age of the dangers of drugs and alcohol yes so then what's the problem. It's not for lack of information out there. I don't think you can teach us I don't think -- misses the point I think that kids have to have first hole left of something else to do. There's if there's nothing better than to hang out and do this kind of thing if they don't have supervision if they don't have families around them. If they don't have fear or respect for their family if they have anxiety about what might happen to get caught. So what's the difference and frankly the family is has real issues I mean I'm not a psychologist but. If you can evaluate the family and look at the divorce -- you have a family is is not tight they're not meeting together like we're talking about. They don't. Kids don't seem to have a lot of fear of disappointing you're hurting their parents. It doesn't appear to be in the way when I was a kid who I was until I got my butt kicked dependent something wrong when I never did Aaron. But I had the anxiety about it it just doesn't seem to be that women are so why wouldn't it should get in trouble like this well when there's so few consequences are they more depressed. Are they getting the physical exercise. The bush we know they're not all but it would what role as a player does that make you less likely to be depressive. I mean these are sometimes the drug thing that alcohol thing. Their symptoms of of an underlying. Malfunction. And a family in my opinion yeah and society in general. So it could be something like giving in to peer pressure because they don't have the self esteem. They don't think strongly in -- themselves -- -- and I don't quite a peer pressure thing I think people are responsible for themselves and and I think that her own daughter's in competitive son. Didn't do lack of fear. More respect for their parents I can tell you -- I honestly -- not ever drink -- Tony when there's always you know almost my friends there and either so I grew -- in a bubble Lugar those statistics say they tell him that I would have hated to. Disappoint my parents cinnamon worsened and consulates but I don't think there is a consequence. But he's saying there's there's not a real consequence for mistakes and a lot of times I hear people you don't. Oh man they're doing that but you know so that I when I was that it each round so it's definitely. Well I I heard they're doing they're doing it under my Russo is saying keep an eye on them learn how insane is that because you're basically getting the endorsement of the adults. I'm also and -- is broken and I'll call -- family were gone all around him the richest Oklahoma was. So -- as a matter of personal choice for sure but I mean I did it. These kids. Have no they're lost I feel horrible when I commend and I see hundreds of -- a week it's just. I haven't seen a lot of people which. And then they just don't look happy they're not stimulative they're sitting there staring at a machine almost non. As if they're plugged in and they're not engaged. They're not these I mean compared to what we're saying now to believe it to be heard all -- news those shows where there are running around on a blatant. Lean and happy and fishing and -- and all that kind of stuff I hate to sound old but it's real it's just found semi experienced they don't see their parents -- tonight they don't eat together. They're eating junk. We what is the cumulative impact of this behavior pattern we have -- we call family. And then there aren't there aren't families are together I mean it's the divorce rate is 50%. They they don't even. Have parents that are together. I mean we really have to look at what humans need. To be functional. And then that's part of what we created Tulsa for the purpose was to define a sustainable path -- And if we don't take care of our bodies we don't take care of our. Family. How could you proceed. Past that point and -- the family is crumbling -- A whole slew of reasons that we've covered today and many that we aren't even aware of what hope do we have for the future. And my concern is among the biggest concerns is apathy. Lot of people just don't care about this stuff. They're not listening to a show they're not caring to read about it they're not caring about an awful lot but just enjoying their day. And if that's the way Americans in the world has become. -- I'm not correct it until we crash test we gonna take the calmer now we have Marion on the line from (%expletive) and Heidi and Marion. Hi how are you great thank you for calling into question plays well they were -- to question what if -- Eight -- what I experienced oh my daughter to speculate quite fulfilled. Achieving flew into the foreign policy but I had a long -- and battle. I'm lucky in that column I -- -- -- begin yet read my child. Who you know if they don't go through 12111213. -- it -- might be careful what you are faithful. I really had no idea who should be lip service -- -- affluent. So I tried to you know do what I was bitter pill for the -- -- -- get back on their evil philosophy here. If people -- lower than their parents. Long story short I eventually vote might faithful faithful people and that's what -- -- food on -- around the country your -- Fourth floor and I could not get a -- -- -- terror because I did not have her email password which you must cap. Com and -- -- Carol we'll. The focus will be the beloved Bassett told that at age there's -- -- so they have the right to have very powerful group powerful group. I think after they ate their food. I hate state solution they -- in Iraq within one on the floor full body at all and I would not even knows if they were doing. I'm so bad that the Abu parents have to take what we feel -- And then what's so scary is that anybody can beat anyone on the Internet. And it's hard because she's definitely right now I have two daughters and a protective of them thinking through more talk about letting kids free run around the neighborhood loses and all that. I watched the news and you see kidnapping and -- internal files. And I'm going no I don't wanna I wanna know some some so strict with them went don't leave my eyesight -- -- -- that the farm because. There's so it is a safety zone for -- -- maybe it's not and palm canyon and that's part of that is well -- Yes and I -- -- for the birth certificate or without bar I think I'll do include I don't -- earned -- keep young girl and they. You know again if -- hurry this up like him so bad that I believe the problem he played her. There entrap grew with each other and he's talking about peer pressure -- FaceBook is goofy don't you think brag about things they don't -- So become the norm -- very risque. Do you think. That only would do if -- he'll -- nineteen year old boy you feel like you're left out you know that's the problem. She's grown -- aren't the problem those are enough people. Who have the where was told and collect enough to even make a phone call to make -- holes in condoms to dismissed. Or take care enough compared to a song and -- And society if we you know this country in this world is -- from people. Channel and a hundred million industries use it syndicate ignored. It. We have the choices we have to control and so the concern she had. Are not being changed because not enough people like her church to change the that's the answer -- we can make this world anything we want things we didn't make an almost a perfect place not perfect as we are humans. But we can make an ankle a lot better -- -- and so the Internet when they said that to her when FaceBook respond that way that's because not enough plus. Care to complain. About it and we can still vote for with our wallets senate is vote with -- actions Mary thank you so much for your call. Gone. Did you glance something just. No I mean -- let me -- something positive sorts Amro is terrible -- movement there's some opportunities. For. I'm sitting here putting girls I farms of course francoeur has its good but there there are some opportunities for -- bomb forced famine has been for community is hillside. Guys wanna say on on July 13 and it's limited it's not my car or fall fest where everybody in the world could come lose. No -- -- 300 people we have tickets that's a very -- -- try to go online. And there's actually -- -- on the table -- part of it too hard on the coast ports but it is a family event will be music. And there will be local wineries please you know we're not gonna minimally drink too much in the drove home prisoner shown to be games for the kids obese -- around them. I hope that some people join us destroyed thirteenth from a 2 PM to 10 -- Continue to go to hillside farms dot org and you can get all the information and if you're interested in tickets you can get tickets -- online. Two books that I want to briefly I'm referred to and there are two of my favorites. Perhaps you've heard them the first is the blue zones. Which is lessons from living longer. For a living longer from people who live the longest in -- talking people who are 9500 plus years olds. And then also there is dry and -- and it's finding happiness the blue zones waste some of the happy is places on earth. And the studies that were done with with CDs and people who just are thriving in their older age as well as thriving in their daily lives. And and I just want to briefly share with you. That both books come back to the basics. And and these experts and when I'm talking experts and talking about. People who are a hundred years old and people who are living in these pockets of happy places throughout the world. They're all saying the same thing knowing that you have a purpose in life. Moved get outside interact with nature. Eat less eat less red meat do if you're going to drink drink in moderation. -- face and most importantly the power of love and that does not necessarily mean you have to be married but it's interacting with your family in center acting with your neighbors. It's again building that strong fabric that gives you deep roots and that is sustainable -- Doug you shaking your head and I think -- you pretty much agree with with what these these well these experts are saying Canada. On us -- -- like comments these people made pivotal life for a hundred years. They can look back can comment on time twice as long slump and a lot of -- I remember who because I was raised by these people too and I could look human through there. Descriptions of the pass to get active in furtherance. It doesn't have to feel this way life is not bad in every way either and we talk about a lot of negative things and there are a lot of good things out there there's so many opportunities for people. Believe from god love the cool stuff does exist in a long time ago and is centurion is. No so stay physically fit to be involved love thy neighbor care for one another love yourself. Love your family and your friends -- your neighbors spend time with people. And one of the things also does is we try to reflect on this and teach us that's why we have the from the table setters and so forth. It's so communities can get together. To spend time together enjoy one another. Can be supportive of one another because if you think about the tribal world we came from thousands years ago we were never alone month. When -- don't want ability to drift off and the -- dinner -- -- at times but I mean you were with family and friends who supported you and to me the biggest risk for loneliness absolutely and thank you very much for listening plowing forward will return next Saturday I'm Suzanne Kelly have a great week.